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    July 13, 2011
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four former first ladies and a former president among hundreds remembering betty ford. nancy reagan was there escorted by george w. bush. first lady michelle o bomb marx hillary clinton. we asked you what you are doing upright now. one quick answer. what do you have? >> a lighter note, eric writes i was already awake naked and sweaty. what the hell, why not watch. >> no, no, no. let's go to "morning joe" now. quick, quick, quick. >> after years of discussions and months of negotiations, i have little question that as long as this president is in the oval office, real solution is probably unattainable. >> mr. mcconnell said i think the day i was elected his job
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was to see me beat. what the american people are looking for is not that kind of partisan politics. >> good morning. it is 6:00 on the east coast. it is wednesday, july 13th. welcome to "morning joe." another sweltering hot day. with us we have mike barnicle, author and former new york times columnist, bob herbert and in washington, pat buchanan. >> i'm glad pat is here. >> here we go. >> pat, we're going to read the first news story. i'm going to go to pat buz can nan and i'm sure pat is going to agree with me under the republicans new, so-called strategy. >> i worked with pat last week. i don't think he's going to agree with you. with the august 2nd deadline weeks away, congressional leaders are heading back to the white house again. how many meetings has it been?
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it's their fourth meeting in a week to reach a deal on the debt ceiling. with talks in limbo, president obama discussed the consequences of default with cbs news. >> can you tell the folks at home, no matter what happens the social security checks are going out august 3rd. there are $20 billion worth of social security checks that have fo go out the day after the government is going to go into default. >> these are veteran's checks, folks on disability and their checks. there are 70 million checks that go out. >> can you guarantee us checks will go out august 3rd? >> i cannot guarantee the checks will go out if we haven't resolved the issue. there may not be the money in the coffers to do it. >> the president is pushing for a comprehensive deal in the neighborhood of $4 trillion in cuts. mitch mcconnell called it smoke
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in mirrors. with both parties in stand off, mcconnell is proposing a back-up plan to avoid a default. it gives the president authority to raise the debt limit in three installments without agreeing to spending cuts up front. president obama would have to submit proposals with each cut to raise the debt ceiling. the senator says -- the sentiment on fox news last night. >> mitch, i think, pointed out this was his idea, if we can't get there, none of us believe we ought to default on the full faith and credit of the united states government. i think that idea and there are other ideas in terms of back-up plans in case we can't come to an agreement. >> doesn't that undercut you?
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>> not at all. everybody believes there ought to be a back-up plan. i think mitch has done good work. >> pat buchanan, of course that undercuts him. you know, like i know what is happening in those two shots of mitch mcconnell and john boehner. that is not the republican base speaking. that is wall street speaking through them. they, when push comes to shove, they are getting too many calls from wall street and they just want to let everybody know, listen, we are talking a tough game. we are never going to push the president or the democrats up to the wall about real spending cuts. you are going to get your debt ceiling increase like you have over the past $14 trillion -- seriously. it destroys their negotiating power, doesn't it? >> what they have done, joe, i think you are just about exactly right. >> i told you he would agree with me. i told you he would agree with
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me. >> they are executing a strategic retreat. they are saying it's inhospitable. give him his debt ceiling. say ha the cuts ought to be. give him responsibility and accountability. if europe goes to hell in a hand basket and if america, suddenly there's a bomb crisis, he is fully responsible, we are not. >> pat -- pat -- pat, this is not a strategic retrieve. this is not george washington on long island. this is -- this is napoleon being pushed back by the right. this is the end of any hopes of any deficit reduction. they are giving barack obama complete power. forget the $4 trillion deal to curb the debt.
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this is john boehner and mitch mcconnell saying you win. you have all the power to raise the debt ceiling. this is a complete betrayal of the tea party, of everything republicans talked about during the 2010 campaign. if the plan goes through, they have betrayed the conservative base. >> joe, i agree with you, to this extend. it's like gettysburg saying we ain't charging up that hill, we are getting out and fighting another day. there's a chance still for the house. boehners job is on the line. it is this. here is $500 billion or $1 trillion out of the biden cuts and the ryan plan with the budget amendment and the debt ceiling increased by 500 or 1 trillion. send it over and tell the president go ahead and veto it, sir. we don't think we will. it's the last shot of the
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republican house. i agree, first it's not going to go through, the mitch mcconnell plan. it's more of a signal than a serious thing that's going through the republican house. >> you know what the signal is mike barnicle? we are scared. we are scared. we have been talking a tough game. when push comes to shove, we are going to be like every other congress and push the debt ceiling. we'll be like italy in three or four years. we surrender. >> i think two things about what mcconnell did and said. one, i agree with you. that's waving the white flag. it's in response of picking up cals from wall street. the way you are going is in favor of the markets. he said to the president, you are going to have the right to raise the debt ceiling on your own. the second thing he said is there's not going to be any deficit reduction so long as this guy is president of the
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united states. i think that's a bad political mistake. it sends a message. this guy doesn't want to talk to anybody or talk to the president of the united states. he's got his own deal. >> i agree with that. i want to give a quick plug. i am with demos. >> we have always known you are distinguished. >> but, i think that this is really cynicism. watching this theater for however long it's been now really pumps it up. i never thought there was going to be a big deficit or debt reduction deal between the two parties because it's not in the interest of either party. i think the republicans were tactically terrible because they allowed obama to sort of portray himself or present himself as the one who is above the fray
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and who is interested in making the most cuts to the budget and to the debt going forward. and then making it appear, not appear but it's true, the republicans are walking away from a real deal to cut spending in this country. also, it gave obama and the democrats a chance to spotlight the republicans position on taxes. there's no way to get a handle on budget deficits over the long term debt without raising somebody's taxes. >> if this is raising the white flag, if this is going against the base, what is the difference between this and cutting a deal on tax loopholes and other things that would not impact their message overall. what makes this better? >> this is horrible. >> it's stupid. >> it's a nightmare. it's cynical. the second i saw the words come out of mitch mcconnell's -- i
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said this was cynical. let me ask you, pat, you may disagree with me here. you know northwest florida and my old district. it is conservative. i made the argument yesterday that i could go to my district and talk about cutting, getting rid of tax loopholes that allow the largest corporations in the world that allows them to pay less taxes than secretaries. i talked about supporting tax loopholes that would make sure that warren buffett pays a higher tax rate than nurses at sacred heart hospital. i can make that argument to my conservative/independent/ populous base and i wonder, do you agree with me? could republicans make that argument to tea party members in western iowa? >> i agree 100%. take the deductions you and i use, interest, taxes and
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charitable. get rid of all of them and get the rates down. get rid of the exemptions for ethanol and take the rates down for corporate america. it's good, conservative economics. the bottom line, mika, is the republicans have not signed on to any, if you will, revenue increases, taxes of $500 billion. if they do that, it is total, utter capitulation. it would be what joe says and boehner and mcconnell would both be out of a job. >> we look elsewhere, what's happening in other countries and worry it doesn't happen to us. europe's crisis is spreading. growing risk in the nation's finances. >> what? >> do you believe this? do you believe this?
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junk funds. >> it follows a similar move for portugal. they warn of the need for a bailout for both countries. the irish government says it is completely at odds of the recent views of other ratings agencies. we are doing all we can to put our hats in order. the progress we are making is there for all to see. the eu and imf issued bailouts in the last eight months. >> willie, this is so dangerous. washington ignored greece. it's ignored portugal. it ignored what happened to ireland the first time. it's ignoring what's happening to ireland the second time. you can go down the list. spain -- atlantic ocean cannot protect us from what is happening to europe.
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yet, washington fiddles. >> it's hard to keep up. you wake up every day and there's a new country on the list. yesterday was italy. ireland, again, getting another bail out. >> after the first bail out. >> that's why the process in washington has been depressing. there's no long view taken at all. boehner and mcconnell capitulated here. it was a moment that we could do something big about the problem. >> what happens if germany says no we're not bailing europe out? >> pat buchanan? >> look, this is in the back of mitch mcconnell's mind. this helps us on fire in europe. it's gone from one room to another. if that house goes down, we want to be outside the door with no responsibility, no accou accountabili accountability. it is barack obama's problem to deal with.
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we don't want them to turn around and say the republicans did it. they are watching europe as closely, maybe more so than we are. >> why not take the $2 trillion deal? >> they cannot raise taxes and go home again, joe. >> does that matter? i don't get it. >> that's the $4 trillion deal. they have $1.7 trillion in cuts through joe biden. that's why it seems cynical. >> if they go with flat cuts, it's what i have never been able to understand. why boehner didn't go to cuts, send it over and make barack obama veto it and be responsible if they are going to shut the government down rather than the house being responsible. >> they have gone about the debt reduction in the wrong way. you cannot do a debt reduction on an economy as large as the united states over the course of a few weeks or a deadline or something like that. what the parties need to do is
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get together and come up with a serious plan, a long-range plan that includes what is going to happen to the american people left out. >> that would have been nice, bob. >> in ohio and going door-to-door with america, the affiliate of the ci oh, knocking on doors, no one raised the deficits or debt limit argument or anything else. they are all talking about jobs. we need a package that would address the employment crisis and the long-term budget crisis we are facing. that would be hard work. >> speaking about what's going on overseas, of course the news corp. -- >> can we do this now? british prime minister david cameron is joining calls for murdock to withdrawal his take over bid for british sky. a scandal that's targeted as
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many as 4,000 people. >> can you believe that? >> murdock and his son james and the ceo of news international have been summoned to testify before british lawmakers. in the u.s., jay rockefeller is calling for an investigation to see if the alleged hacking targeted u.s. citizens. there will be serious consequences if news corps violated the law. >> where does this lead? >> i tell you where it leads. they have murdock in the successful entrepreneur in journalism. not only has it been wrong, but it's an effort to tear down on the part of his enemies to tear down the entire murdock empire in britain and the united states. this is going to go a long way.
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>> did he give them the rope to do that? >> i don't know if he did. somebody did a lot of things wrong. evil was done, but there are people who seize upon those acts who have other agendas and other games. >> willie, it's expanding fast. 4,000 people hacked. >> it's a matter of time before the investigation here starts. senator rockefeller is going to look into it. he's going to look under a lot of stones that may cause scurrying here in the states. >> no doubt. new democratic fund raising numbers released. it's one of the top stories. also ahead, we are going to talk with dr. brzezinski and governor john. bill. yesterday was the hottest
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day of the summer in many locations. as a whole, the hottest day. it was 102 in st. louis yesterday. 97 in d.c. roll lie hit 100. some of the cooler air is working its way in. it's less humid. it's not going to be that chilly, just less humid. the exceptions from oklahoma city to dallas, memphis to atlanta through the carolinas. it's where it's humid. from d.c., the 94 feels better than yesterday. here is the forecast. slight chance of afternoon storms for heartford and boston. a high near 90. if you are flying near the airports, i think atlanta will have the best chance of delays with a widespread thunderstorm threat later today. you are watching "morning joe" on this wednesday morning. we are brewed by starbucks. [ male announcer ] this...is the network --
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you see president obama's press conference. this guy. what is with the press conferences. come on. relax a little bit. i was watching it. am i the only one who is jumpy about stuff? >> what do you mean? >> i think i'm looking for trouble. are you always looking for trouble. i was watching the press conference. tell me what you think. watch. >> it's not acceptable for us not to raise the debt ceiling and to allow u.s. government to pay. >> that is so weird. >> time to take a look at the morning papers. are you ready? >> i was born ready.
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>> netflix is raising their movie package by 60%. the $10 plan will now cost $16. they cited the high cost of mailing dvds. they generated 25,000 comments on their facebook page, most of them not happy. >> a dip in ratings, oprah is taking over as ceo of own network. the move highlights the desire to take full creative and operational control of the 6-month-old channel. oprah is great. it's going to take several years. >> yeah. >> that is a tough, tough sled. she'll get there. you know she will. >> houston chronicle, a surprise announcement from ron paul on twitter. he will not seek re-election to congress. he will focus on running for
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president in 2012. paul's campaign reported raising $4.5 million this quarter putting him second among republican candidates. now, let's go politico. >> okay. don't go there, again. my iphone exploded. >> we didn't put that up. >> we're sorry. >> dr. paul. >> it's a good point. >> i was on vacation. >> okay. >> take a chill pill and hold on to the regrinlg ray tor. >> holy cow. did i tell you i was on
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vacation? i know ron paul and you would agree, he needs a hobby. i know ron paul. i like ron paul. my son supported ron paul. i like him. some of you people, seriously, take a cold shower. >> take a chill pill. >> call me in the morning. ron paul would agree with me. you just need to keep it in the middle. >> try a little dream water. >> mmm. i want some of that. i don't know what it is. >> he's dreamy. >> he's dreamy himself. the chief white house correspondent for political, mike allen. hello, mike. >> good morning, welcome back. >> can i ask you a question? when i get the playbook early on a sunday morning, what time did you get up to do that? >> not early enough. i want to be earlier.
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>> do you socialize on a saturday or go to bed early? >> to be healthy, wealthy and wise, you need six hours a night. i try at least that. >> i try to crunch the numbers. he's aulsz working. >> round the clock. >> breaking news for you. obama for america and the dnc far exceeding their fund raising goals for the first quarter. what are the numbers? >> incredible figures. breaks all records for an incumbent president. they put it to supporters in youtube this morning to underscore the idea it's their campaign, not his. the campaign set a goal of $60 million for the obama campaign and the dnc came in when they filed their 15,000 pages of disclosure reports with the government. it will show they came in way ahead of that. $86 million for the two. they set a goal of $60 million.
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$86 million. the real figure that fascinating figure, if you add up everything the republicans including ron paul and we get those e-mails, too. if you add up everything republicans got in this fund raising quarter you have obama and the dnc $86 million. $35 million for republicans. >> combined! >> what a jugger not it is for the president. >> we are expecting to raise close to $1 billion, right? >> they use this opportunity to warn people that outside groups are going to be spending a lot. republican groups could spend as much as $500 million. it's the democratic outside groups as well. the average donation 69 bucks plus plenty of people raising
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big bucks as well. they call it a shock and awe report. remind the republicans what they are going up against. >> it's a good thing mike barnicle that democrats are ahead of finance reform. >> i'm going to -- i think, as you would assume, a huge percentage is $86 million is due to the vice president of the united states. >> this is how i break it down. i probably pulled in $81 million. the president $65 million. >> they are going to need the billion dollars. >> what? >> he's going to need the billion dollars. it's not going to be a cake walk. >> to outspin the republicans 20-1.
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finally, the service of leroy petri speaks to the essence of america. that spirit that says no matter how hard the journey or how steep the climb, we don't quit. we don't give up. america doesn't endure. we emerge from our trials stronger, more confident with our eyes fixed on the future. our heroes are all around us. as we prepare for the reading of the citation, please join me in saluting one of those heroes, leroy petri. [ applause ] >> president obama awarding the medal of honor for a living recipient for his honor for his heroism during a ceremony at the white house yesterday. the army ranger lost his right
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hand and part of his arm throwing a grenade away from fellow soldiers in 2008. he spoke with nbc "nightly news" brian williams saying he's honored. >> they say how do you have such a great attitude. a lot of people i met that were wounded have great attitudes but at the same time, a lot of these men and women their limbs or their bodies are hurt or severed, whatever, they have their bodies stolen from them, almost. they are driving down the road and they don't see the enemy. it's just you wake up or you are laying there and disfigured now. >> yeah. >> i had the choice to do what i did. fully, mentally knowing what the dangers were. it was my choice. >> sergeant petry is the 85th
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living medal of honor recipient. >> willie, so many guys that have been in that situation, iraq and afghanistan and you are involved in helping some of them. we met some of them a couple weeks back. >> yes, a group called operation men. guys severely burned in ied explosions. the thing that strikes you with them and staff sergeant petry, they want to go back. >> they all want to go back. >> they want to get back and be with their brothers. sergeant petry eight deployments. he went back after losing his hand. he went back to fight. >> we have been talking, not just this morning but days on end about what's going on in washington with the debt ceiling. sergeant petry just said
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something about the men and women he served with having their bodies stole from them. it's an exact quote. they have something else stolen from them. it's full recovery. it's assistance for traumatic brain injuries down the road for decades to come. we have to pay for these things. >> we do. >> they better bear down in washington, 10% as much as sergeant petry, bear down. >> it's going to be a long, long haul for the young men and woman who, let's face it, in earlier wars would have died from these injuries. they are living now. that's the great news. the bad news is they are living with injuries that are going to impact their lives for decades to come. >> there's been a surge recently in service members who lost three or four limbs. that's on the increase.
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and you are right. this is going to be costly. it could be costly for decades and we have an obligation to pay for that. >> we do. i want to say briefly, i'm glad the president is now awarded two medal of honor awards to two living recipients. it hadn't happened since vietnam. you know, there's so many heroes over the past decade in afghanistan and iraq. i think it's about time and i'm glad he's doing it. >> it's operation mend. >> operation mend. >> we are going to do sports next. we'll be right back. boy, i'm glad we got aflac huh.
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welcome back to "morning joe." time for sports. we begin with baseball's all-star game in phoenix last night. an emotional pre-game ceremony honoring the victims of january's tucson shooting.
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congresswoman gabrielle giffords internal throwing out the pitch. the parents of the little girl murdered that day were there. they presented the lineup card to the umpires. there is something to play for now. >> how did jeter do? >> you'll hear in a second. >> bottom of the second, toronto os jose batista. i'm sure the gm didn't like seeing that. sliding. great catch by batista. scoreless in the first inning. >> doing it for the fans. >> adrian gonzalez for the red sox. a.l. goes up, 1-0. batista trying to score from second. guns him down at the plate.
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>> giving their all, just like jeter does every day. wait until you see what he did. >> a bomb. a three-run home run gives the national league the lead. in the beginning -- >> they are doing it like they are doing it for free. >> that's a great play, great effort. >> look at everybody hustling. >> you're going to love this. 5-1. bell is excited to be in the all-star game. he sprints. watch what he does when he gets to the mound. it gets better. >> yeah! yeah, baby! they are giving it all for the kids willie. >> 5-1, that means the national league hosts the series. philadelphia phillies host. >> why no jeter highlights? >> captain jeter scored last night?
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>> prince fielder was the most valuable player of the game. after the game, he was asked about the win. up stead, he may have convinced folks not to buy gatorade's protein drink. >> transforming the fans into -- >> you have them for you in the all-star game. >> i'm sorry. i'm sorry. we thought this was gatorade. it wasn't. it was protein recovery, weird. i'm sorry. i'm sorry. go ahead. >> that was great. >> give me some of that right now. >> is that gatorade? their new drink. they were hoping to get press. >> joe. as you point out, it wouldn't be an all-star game without derek jeter. this guy, jeter, of course, was
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voted as an all-star starter by the fans. he chose -- >> that's a great honor. if you pick me to be on the all-star game after all these years, it's such a thrill. the kids, remember the little kids. you fill them out and it meant so much to you to see your favorite player. >> just like derek jeter. >> right. >> it was a great one. >> jeter, he couldn't make it to the game. >> what? >> he had emotional and physical exhaustion from the pursuit of 3,000 hits. >> you know what -- >> a sore right calf. >> i'm going to cut him slack, if he had emotional distress, he has to go after the house he built last year.
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i bet he was with his doctor, wasn't he? >> well -- >> they were in pensacola, right? i bet he was there. >> right. >> he was in florida. here is the back page of the paper. captain hooky hanging out with his girlfriend. >> some people were upset he didn't show up, said he should have been there. >> is she a specialist? >> she's special. bud selig was there in his defense yesterday. >> this is the final word. there isn't a player that i'm more proud of in the last 15 years than derek jeter. i know why jeter isn't here. i think i would have made the same decision. >> there you go.
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>> he was with his girlfriend. >> the word of baseball. end of story. jeter gets a break. >> come on. >> 24 times, he went 24 times. he said it's not jury duty. >> they are making too big of a deal of it, that's one thing. in the future, if you are on the ballot, you go. especially if you are a starter. >> he knew he should not have been a starter. >> he was a classy guy. go out, tip your hat. sign autographs for the kids that voted you. i'm serious, for the kids that voted you into the game. it's a great, great honor. to be lounging around in south
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beach. >> the weekend prior to the all-star, showcase moment, come on. 3,000 hits. he was 5 for 5 that day. >> i cannot, for the life of me understand why he -- let's go to the must read op-ed. >> i was wondering what you were getting to you idiots. do we have time for one? >> pictures, if you like. what do you want to do. >> cantor's slick upper lip. i'm sorry. it's not -- >> what does this mean? is it a personal insult? >> he wants power. he's prepared to risk the face and credit of the united states to get it. in a struggle with house speaker john boehner he's done a death job of lining himself up to line the debt. if the u.s. government defaults,
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it will have much to do with cantor. anyone agree? any defense of cantor. >> he cared more about his political survival than he does about the country. >> if you have to defend him, what would you say? >> pat, pat, pat. pat buchanan, i read about this in politico, a lot of people are shocked and stunned and saddened people say things on the campaign trail that they mean. cantor promised for years, if you elect me and put me in leadership, i'm going to oppose every tax increase and he's doing it now and people are shocked. >> he was elected he would not raise taxes. they sent him to washington. if they endorse taxes, what is the argument for reelecting the republican party? there is none. they are being faithful to those
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who sent him there. >> i agree with that. i don't think it's the number one issue with either party. >> i tell you what, people certainly on the left weren't asking this question for a year and a half on health care reform. when nobody was talking about jobs, first and foremost -- it's stunning. on the other side, people are shocked. >> i don't think it was in the best interest of the country for the president to push a $4 trillion deficit reduction, debt reduction package. it's good for him politically. >> i think the president wins this. >> willie's news you can't use is next. we'll be right back. ♪ birds flying high ♪ you know how i feel ♪ sun in the sky
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people hacked. hen wrou read gordon brown and the medical records were expose ed saying we have this story. ha is your comment going to be. how do you defend that? that is so gross. such a horrible invasion. if you think a 5-year-old child's medical records -- >> pat buchanan, there are so
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many horrific stories here. this is one of them. the young, beautiful girl that was kidnapped and killed, her parents put through hell thinking she was alive. there are so many horrific stories pat, if the enemies on the left want to destroy him, it's not as if he did not give them all the ammunition they needed. do you not think if this was true, he deserves to face whatever consequences come his way. >> rupert murdock authorized what tina described as rep hendable conduct. he's been a friend of mine and generous to me over the years and reached out, but he's done a magnificent job in improving the wall street journal, a dramatic public indication going up. fox news, our rivals there is a conservative network.
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maybe they have made mistakes but it's a great innovation. these men, entrepreneurs to big things. what gets me is the folks coming after them, some of them are shocked by what he did or what the newspaper did. they have another agenda. it's to take down rupert murdock because of other things he did that some of us like. i said in that piece, i think he's one of the great media entrepreneurs we have seen. he has incredible vision, nerve, flair. he broke the unions in the times newspaper. frankly, they have sabotaging the newspapers week after week. enough. the only management with the nerve to campaign that through. socially, i like him. but, that's irrelevant. the thing here is what the newspapers were doing.
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it's sinister. >> they ought to be punished for what they were doing. you watch, people are going to say that's fine, go after them. that's small fish. we want to take down the big man and the motivation there is beyond what was done to gordon brown's child. it goes back a long way and there are a lot of people. a man like murdock has made a lot of enemies on the way up who are going to try to help bring him down. >> i wonder what other scandals in print and media i can recollect because i lived through one at cbs where the top didn't suffer. i'm sorry. it was a massive wrong doing or bad reporting or bad journalism. that, pat, i don't care if somebody has an ax to grind and i don't care if they are great improvements to the wall street journal, it doesn't take away, if it turns out to be true -- >> the newspaper, the news of
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the world, authorized or new about illegal, unethical and immoral conduct, they should pay the price. undeniable. they are going higher up. >> you have to recognize in 2007, the international management has the opportunity to say we have investigated it. it's been a cover up. >> really, mika brings up dan rather. >> yeah. >> totally different scenario. >> it's a different scenario, but in the middle of a campaign. there, it was a approximaty fight. it was the right against dan rather. here it is going to be the left against rupert murdock and people in the middle trying to sort through it. if you see the brown story, the kidnapping story. >> 9/11 victims. come on.
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>> that is going to be offensive. >> the society will confirm that. >> the facts are undeniable in the case. americans don't understand the political power rupert murdock had in a way nobody in the united states had over gordon brown. >> i mean, also, you have to recognize why david cameron hid the editor of news in the world. ultimately, he knew he could deliver the tabloids. that's why he had them. now, he's paying a terrible political plis. >> let's reiterate from washington, the host of "hardball," chris matthews. we want to talk about the budget issue in a minute. we have tina brown here who has written a piece in the daily news or the daily beast this morning about rupert murdock. was wondering if you would like to weigh in on this scandal which, of course, jay
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rockefeller is now suggesting may launch an investigation state side. >> well, you know, murdock's power in the united states, he got to be a united states citizen rather quickly, didn't he? who backtracked that baby? this is happening here already. it's happened over the years, murdock's power. his fight with ted kennedy, with channel 5 up there. this isn't new to us. this is an old story, his fight with the left and power on the right. we are going to get a reprieve for that story over the next couple weeks. >> let's take it to washington where you are now. a lot of drama. you had mitch mccon nell and john boehner looked like they waved the white flag yesterday saying you take it barack obama. we're going to let you raise the debt ceiling and blame you later.
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>> i don't know about white flag. it it's blogosphere talk. it's not just social security checks, it's the world. this is going from cable to prime time to reality here. i think the people like mcconnell, even though they want to get rid of the president, they don't want to get rid of the country. i think there's a deal to be made here to separate the issue of the next week to the election next year. that's what the white house is happy with. i spoke with somebody over there. they are happy now that the grown ups are separating themselves from the protesters who have a different interest in it. they have to make a deal next week to avoid a possible disaster. the people out there who want to have fun can blame whatever goes wrong. it's the shirts and the skins
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now. the shirts are going to make the decision. >> who is trying to whoop it up and have fun? >> newt. who is usually out there as an opportunist. certainly bachmann on the right is going to say no to a debt ceiling increase no matter what is attached to it. she said we are going to tax the repeal of obama care. is that a serious proposal? obviously not. there's a difference between the grown ups and the people having fun with this, isn't there, joe? >> it depends on how you define having fun. >> having the opportunity to raise hell over this thing. >> well, the president and the left talked about health care reform for a year and a half when middle american independents wanted them to talk jobs, primarily. they did it because they believed in it. they believe that's what got them to washington.
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i think that is, as offensive as it is to people in the press, it's why republicans, people like cantor and these other guys and michelle bachmann, they ran. it's not like it was a bait and switch. it's not like they said elect us and we are going to raise your taxes. >> i don't disagree there's a good fight going on but i don't think there's a dispute over facts. if we let it sink next week, don't we face a real disaster? it's not an issue of ideology. >> pat buchanan? >> there's no doubt you face a short term problem if you don't pay off the debt ceiling, that's why i think boehner should pass it. there's a long term problem. if you kick the can down the road and increase taxes and things like that, down the road, you are doing what the greek government has done. they are piled up and up and up.
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they are the danger in the long run that default becomes inevitable. you faced a possibility of a short term default, which none of us want. very serious. also, if you do not start shopping the government faced a certitude of a long term default. it's what bothered a lot of folks in the republican party. i don't believe they are being responsible. >> chris, years ago, you were in the house working with tip o'neill. it seems there were a lot more people in the house of representatives and the senate who understood and could articulate between campaigning and governing. we all understand those things. governing is different. why does it seem to me and i think maybe a lot of people that these people can't govern? they don't know how to govern. they don't know how to cut a
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deal. >> i think the problem is a couple things. let's be fair about the long term issue. not the debt ceiling but the long term issues. nancy pelosi wants to be speaker again. she wants to come back. the only way to do this is be red hot on the issue of medicare. they got a fortune cookie when ryan came out with their plan. they don't want to give it up. if they give an inch, they are not going to win the house back. it's pure politics. on the republican side, you have a weird situation of an enormous power held by freshmen, people who just came in with an enormous hold through eric cantor. they are the ones who gave him the speakership. it's a bottoms up thing. it's a real fight. it's a genuine fight. i think what we saw yesterday is
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wait a minute, this is a fight we may win next year if the president raises the debt ceiling single handedly. let's let him take the heat. let's got confuse it with the grown up responsibility to pay the bills next week. >> chris, doesn't it show, you know, how fearful he is with the proposal? >> yes. >> he understands it comes as a desperate issue. >> he's smart. >> thank you very much. >> thanks for having me on. dominos continue to fall in europe. could ireland follow greece as the next nation dragged down by debt? we are going to ask financial times next. dr. brzezinski is up next. ohio governor, john kasich is up next. first, a check on the weather with bill karins. it was 102 heat index in
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watching the media will tell you we made a huge mistake closing the government in '95
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and 'i9 96. as one of the people who did it, that is baloney. the fact is, the american people looked up and saw for once they had a group so serious about balancing the budget they were prepared to take the heat. i would say the republicans washington today, you have to have the courage to stand for what you believe in and trust the american people are smarter than the elite media thinks they are or the political consultants think they are. you have to be prepared to go nose-to-nose with the president and win the argument. >> welcome back to "morning joe." >> yeah. welcome back. that's newt gingrich in charleston, south carolina. >> yeah. we still have pat buchanan and tina brown. joining us now, the u.s.
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managing editor for the times. >> we could talk about news corp., we could talk about italy, we could talk about greece, but i want to talk about ireland. i thought we had already been through the operation. >> we are done. >> i thought we were through the pain. i thought the irish people already bailed out the banks, once. they have to do it again? >> it's getting worse and worse. how does this happen the second time? >> the problem is they said they would support the banks. the problem is, the banks are too big to save, never mind too big to fail, too big to save. the entire irish economy is running into serious problems. >> unbelievable. ten years ago. it was a miracle. now this. what happens next in ireland?
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>> it's not the question of what happens next in ireland, it's the euro zone. if you were looking to take a holiday, don't. the reality is right now, the euro zone is going from bad to worse. this downgraded island is the agency playing. the big question isn't what happened to ireland, but spain and italy. >> ireland, portugal, spain, we read about italy earlier this week. >> i came back from milan and all the fashion people are doing up the monuments. the top shoe management is renovating the coliseum. others are doing things. >> they are out of money. >> they are running out of money. they have to turn to prop up their own national heritage.
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>> how does this happen all at the same time? how has this storm hit? >> in a simple way, it's basically european leaders trying to stick band aid solutions on to problems. >> the debt problem? >> they try to basically cope with greece by sticking it in a box and ignoring it a bit. the markets didn't buy it. greece is bubbling. portugal and ireland. if it was just greece, or just ireland, they can cope with it. they don't have enough money to cope with it all. >> when do the german people say enough? when do they say to amerienough. >> they pull together and create a union and have the strong bail out the weak or split up and have to eject one or two
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members? they have been trying to delay making that decision. at some point, the markets will force them to do that. >> it's been a complete disaster. doesn't work in politics. >> there was an interesting point, if you look at the scale of economic diversion across the euro zone, it's not that much different from the u.s. they have the ability to transfer money across the state. they have to choose if they want to do it or not. >> what is the root, the issue. is it the operations of the government? the programs? what is the root of the economic ill? >> you have different parts of
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the euro zone. >> greece has too much debt. >> i was in greece a couple weeks ago and they are giving away more benefits than money to give away. >> yes. you go to california, i mean california is a disaster, a generation in the making. the same with greece. the same with italy. this is not that difficult. i was talking yesterday about how the american people maybe with a small safe are getting more conservative. it's not because they like more republicans out there, they are more conservative because they see what happened over the past 30 years. newt gingrich was in the grip, the american people are smarter than washington thinks they are. they see the world going up in
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flames. >> absolutely. this is what makes it dangerous. you have an extraordinary crisis. basically, it's a failure of political systems. this is a moment when the ant poll gists have their revenge. you cannot model this in terms of putting numbers in a spread sheet. it's about political cultures and systems and whether they are up to the task of a proactive solution. >> what happens if they get kicked out of euro zone? >> it is going to be fantastically messy and make lehman brothers look like child's play. >> this is a transformative time not just in america, but across the west. western governments are -- it's midnight. i think we are going to see a different world on the other side of this economic crisis.
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>> joe, what's not been mentioned is demography. if you go back 40, 50 years you find workers and pensioners. now all of these european populations with the exception of great britain is ageing, shrinking and dying. the countries where they have having 1.2 to 1.3 children per worm. as the population ages they are moving into the recipient age. there are fewer and fewer workers. you are going to have 1.5 or one worker per retiree. you can't maintain the state. it goes under. >> in america, we have 15 people working for every one person on social security. now it's three people. >> we have seen some of it in the uk and spain. what is this going to look like?
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you know, if these countries become like the lehman brothers in europe, what is going to happen? >> it's time to talk to sociologis sociologists. i was in ireland because a lot of my family comes from the west coast of ireland. actually, there is still quite a high level of putting together. it's more like greece and it's a different picture. >> okay. >> my goodness. thank you. coming up, a new poll shows one republican candidate with a double digit lead over the rest of the pack. that story, when we come back. ♪
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34 past the hour. a live look at the capital. welcome back to "morning joe." a quick look at the headlines. minnesota congresswoman michele bachmann surging ahead in a poll. bachmann leads mitt romney 25%
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to 14%. sarah palin follows by 12%, rick perry with 10%. no other candidate scored more than 6%. romney and palin beat bachmann with 25% and 15% of the vote respectively. yesterday, bachmann responded to the campaign they are hearing. saying they need to focus on solutions and less on a tax. >> when you are running for the presidency of the united states, you have to expect to be attacked by both sides. my focus is not negativity. it's not what people are talking ability. it's been on accomplishments and how to turn the economy around and create jobs again. it's what people are talking act in south carolina, new hampshire and iowa. they want to see us tackle the debt problem. i'm not hearing the negativity. >> texas congressman ron paul says he will not run for another term in the house next year to
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focus on his presidential bid. paul explained his decision yesterday. >> there's a significant difference. fund raising is easier, the volunteers are easier and we always had loyal support. the polls are showing if we get a commitment, we have a commitment. others are saying i like that candidate that might last a week or two. >> what? >> michelle bachmann, i'm sure she's a nice person but she says we have to get serious about the debt ceiling yet proposed an amendment to repeal obama care? can we take care of one thing at a time? >> what you said before, just the whole difference between campaigning and governing. it's a free for all with campaigning. you can do whatever you want. it doesn't make sense. >> campaign because of this
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dragging themselves in a mess, the country is more impatient, it's discrediting the president. who benefits from that? the rugssians and chinese. they are not enemies but rivals. >> terrible image. joining us now from washington, former national security adviser, dr. brzezinski. dad rksz good morning. thanks for coming back. >> hi, mika. good morning. >> it's always great to talk to you. >> hi, joe. >> let's talk about what's happening with ireland and italy over the past week. what's obviously happened with greece for a long time and closer to home, what's happening in washington. it seems like we have the debt crisis continues to grow. at what point do we see that social unrest that you are talking about when you were on our show a year, year and a half ago. >> if we don't get on top of the
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problem, we'll see it before too long. i'm not a pessimist in the sense i think we are doomed and going to have a massive breakdown. we are going through a tough time. not just us, all though we are the most important country in the world and the great historic success. over the last 20 years we have blown that. the europeans are going through a crisis. tina brown said as a political fiction and the monetary union, which is much narrower and tighter, and the two are not in sync. third, the great democratic success in the far east, japan, is going through a tough period. we are going through a tough period. the 2012 elections are going to be an election about national renewal versus national e cape.
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i think the country is realizing we have to shake up the system. i think europeans after the crisis gets bad are going to move to more assertive political union and drop countries. the japanese are showing real toughness. i think they will recover and be a surprise. >> pat buchanan is with us in washington as well. pat. >> dr. brzezinski, let me talk to you about pakistan. powers flu out, richard nixon tilted, doctor brzezinski was over there looking down the pass. they were a great ally in the cold war. now it looks like we have lost pakistan. have we lost pakistan? if so, why and was it inevitable. >> i think we are losing pakistan. i don't know if we have lost it
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yet. if we disengage intelligently and engage in the umbrella i have been talking about, her happens we will lose it all together. i think the fault is two way. first of all, we have never been really consistently and comprehensively sensitive to the political interests in having a secure backyard in afghanistan. we just haven't. resently, we played with indi s indians. we give a super nuclear deal to the indians. we did not give it to the pakistanis. there's resentment there. pakistan is coming undone on its own. it's not all our undoing. there's a conflict between the army and society at large. divisions between the army and the military and intelligence. ethnic differences. regional differences in pakistan. plus, this overwhelming
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obsession with india. so, pakistan is in trouble largely, not entirely, but largely because of its own position. >> dr. brzezinski, good morning, it's willie. i want to turn to china if we could. the problems we have are well documents. their economy will surpass the united states by 2016. there's a report in the new york times that reports in the seven years it will take new york city to build the second avenue subway line, china will have built an entire subway system. we know about the problems. we hear about it all the time. why is that? we have the workers. we have the resources. why is it that we can't keep pace? is it our political system that slows it down? >> i think the political system is in a gridlock. it's a fact. a comprehensive study. it shows congressional seats how it's overwhelming percentage of
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safe seats so congressman come back, come back, come back. they are entrenched. they don't have incentive to change, to move on with the times, to compromise. we have a large public that is ignorant about world affairs and susceptible to slogans and candidates that appear out of nowhere. no track record. appealing slogans. we have a sense of anxiety about a historical situation. namely, we have a rival. that's not unprecedented. what is unprecedented is we know and the rival knows that if we go to a conflict, we'll badly damage one another. we don't know yet how to manage the relationship and how to find a balance and accommodate. the responsibility of the chinese as well. we are in a difficult era of
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experimentation and learning. historically, throughout history, when there were two rivals, in the end, one always knocked out the other and always repaired the fight. >> so, dr., you know, off your earlier belief that you are not a pessimist, i don't think any of us are here, next year renewal will win in the 2012 election. the spirit of renewal will win. how is this spirit renewal going to succeed when, as you just outlined we have so many people in the dysfunctional congress with safe seats who come back every year after year after year and do nothing? >> i think we'll learn by pain. no other lesson that's going to drive home the need for substantial renewal. i think we are sliding into increasing difficulty.
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we talked about the candidates earlier. it's amazing to me the leading candidates are people who have no track record and have no ideas other than a lot of slogans. the cumulative effect is that is going to be aggravated social crisis. i have been warning for quite some time, even a couple years ago, i think we will move into intensified socialist, particularly over disparity and wealth. listen to a major opposition spokesman who just raved on how we are endangering the job creators, the job creators, the job creators. making the case the rich should not pay taxes like everyone else with a degree of social responsibilities. they shouldn't have loopholes and so forth.
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at some point, it's intolerable. it's part of the middle class that is going to slide out of the middle class to the lower class and that's beginning to happen. i think the lesson comes through pain. >> wow. >> let's talk in closing about china, again. willie talked about how many people projected china will be a loornger economy than the united states in 2016. obviously, china is not japan. we were hearing in 1988, 1989 about the japan that could say no. i just wonder, after reading a new york times article this past weekend about the debt, the massive debt that the chinese municipalities are piling upon themselves with these remarkable infrastructure projects. five years from now, the china bubble bursts and everybody is saying of course, we knew this was going is not
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sustainable over time. >> you may be right. we don't know. but i think the chinese, i follow what they say and i talk to them a lot. when their officials come here they visit me at the highest level so that i'm sort of sensitive to what's going on in china. they are talking about the risks among themselves very seriously. now that's a good sign. they are recognizing the possibility that things women get pretty rough. and i think it's reasonable to expect that the rate of growth will significantly decline, that they may have some crises, may have a lot of social unrest and so forth. so, yes, the apocalyptic projections are early. we have to be a little bit more -- modernize our tax system, be responsive to the fact that we have bled ourselves in wars which we have
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increasingly financed by borrowing abroad, that we have to rethink our foreign policy. and now we have to engage in a massive undertaking of social renewal and particularly in the infrastructural area where the countries literally sliding. if we do that and the chinese become more preoccupied with our domestic ee quill lib bree yum, we can strike a new relationship, that two rivals more or less accommodate and that has to be the end objective. >> we'll leave it right there. >> thanks, dad, appreciate it. >> thank you so much dr. brzezinski. >> would you bring your kids to burger king for a healthy meal? >> yeah, already do. >> it's a trick question? i don't understand. >> you might be able to. >> we'll be right back. [ female announcer ] now, give dry, damaged hair a whole new life!
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after years of discussions and months of negotiations, i have little question that as long as this president is in the oval office a real solution probably unattainable. >> he said his job was to try to see me beat. i think what the american people
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are looking for is not that kind of partisan politics. >> good morning, it's 8:00 on the east coast, a hot and humid wednesday morning as you take a live look at new york city. welcome back to "morning joe." back with us onset, mike barnicle and bob herbert and pat buchanan in washington. >> the first news stories i'll go to pat buchanan and i'm sure he's going to agree with me on the republicans' new so-called strategy. >> i work with pat last week, i don't think he's going to agree with you. >> with the august 2nd deadline weeks away congressional leaders are heading back to the white house again. how many meetings has it been? for yet another round of negotiations. it's third fourth meeting in a week to try to reach a deal on raising the debt ceiling with talks still in limbo, president obama discussed the consequences of default with cbs news. >> can you tell the folks at
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home that noter no matter what happens, the social security checks will go out on august 3rd, that have to go out the day after the government is going to go into default. >> these are veterans checks and folks on disability and their checks. there are about 70 million checks that go out every month. >> can you guarantee as president those checks will go out on august 3rd. >> i cannot guarantee that those checks go out on august 3rd if we haven't resolve this issue because there may not simply be the money the cofferes to do it. >> senator minority leader mitch mcconnell called the president's vision smoke and mirrors. with both parties in standoff with cuts to entitlement items, he is proposing a backup plan,
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it would give the president authority to raise the debt limit in three installments until the 2012 election without having to agree to spending cuts up front. president obama would also have to submit proposals for spending cuts with each request to raise the debt ceiling. senator mcconnell says the plan is not his first choice but republicans want to send a signal to the markets that there is a way out. speaker boehner echoed the se sentiment on fox news. >> mitch pointed out -- his idea is if we can't get there, none of us believe we ought to default on the full faith and credit of the united states government. i think that idea and there are other ideas out there in terms of backup plans in case we can't come to an agreement. >> doesn't that under cut you? >> not at all. i think everybody believes there needs to be a backup plan if we were unable to come to an agreement. i think mitch has done good work. >> pat buchanan, i'm sorry, of course that undercuts him.
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you know like i know what is happening in those two shots of mitch mcconnell and john boehner. that is not the republican base speaking, that's wall street speaking through them. they when push comes to shove, they are getting too many calls from wall street and they want to let everybody know, listen, we're talking a tough game, we're never going to push the president or the democrats up to the wall about real spending cuts, you're going to get your debt ceiling increase like you have over the past 14 -- pat, seriously, that completely destroys their negotiations power doesn't it? >> what they've done joe, you're just about exactly right. >> i told you he would agree. hold on. i told you he would agree with me. >> they are executing a strategic retreat. they looked at the terrain and said it's inhos pitable, give him his debt ceiling, let him say what he thinks the cuts
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ought to be and give him responsibility and accountability. if europe goes to hell in a hand basket and if america suddenly there's a bond crisis or something like that, he is fully responsible, we are not. >> pat -- >> it's unheroic. >> this is not a strategic retreat. this is not george washington on long island. this is -- this is napoleon. this is the end of any hopes of any real deficit reduction. they are giving barack obama complete power, forget the $4 trillion bill to curb the debtor the $2 trillion deal to curb the debt. this is boehner and mcconnell saying, you win, you have all of the power to raise the debt
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ceiling. this is a complete betrayal they talked about in the 2010 campaign. if it goes through they have betrayed the conservative base. >> i agree with you to this extent. it's like gettysburg, they are saying, look, we -- and to boehner's job is on the line it is this. it is to say, here is 500 billion or a trillion dollars out of the biden cuts and ryan plan with the balanced budget amendment and with the debt ceiling increase by 500 or a trillion, send it over for nine months and tell the president, go ahead and veto it, sir, we don't think you will. that's the last shot of the republican house, but i do agree -- first, it's not going to go through the mitch mcconnell plan but i think it was more of a senate to the markets nan a serious thing that will go through the republican house.
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>> you know what the signal is, mike barnicle? we're scared. >> why don't they just -- >> the signal is we're scared because we've been talking a tough game -- >> that really helps. >> when push comes to shove, we'll be like every other congress and raise the ceiling and we'll be like italy in about three or four years. we surrender. >> i think two things about what mcconnell did and said yesterday. one, i agree with you. that's waving the white flag in response to picking up phone ca calls from wall street, the way you're going it's scaring the markets, you have to figure it out. he does that, you have the right to raise the debt ceiling on your own, just do that. the second thing he said, there's not going to be any deficit reduction so long as this guy is president of the united states. i think that's a bad political mistake. that sends a message to everybody else, this guy doesn't want to talk to anybody, he doesn't want to talk to the president of the united states. >> i agree with that.
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i think that this is really fodder for cynicism, watching this theater for however long it's been now pumps it up. i never thought there would be a big deficit or debt reduction deal between the two parties because it wasn't really in the interest of either party. i think the republicans were tactically terrible because they allowed obama to sort of portray himself or present himself as the one who's above the fray and who's interested in making the most cuts to the budget and to the debt going forward. and then making it appear -- actually not appear but it's true, that the republicans are walking away from a real deal to cut spending in this country. and also it gave obama and the democrats a chance to spotlight the republicans untenable position on taxes. there's no way to get a handle
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on budget deficits or long-term debt without raising somebody's taxes. >> if this is raising the white flag, if this is going against the base directly, what's the difference between this and cutting a deal on tax loopholes and other things that really would not impact their message overall fundamentally? >> this is horrible. >> it's stupid. >> this is a nightmare and it is cynical. the second i saw the words come out of mitch mcconnell's mouth, i said this was cynical. pat, you may disagree with me, you know northwest florida, you know my old district, it is conservative. >> very. >> i made the argument yesterday that i could go to my district and talk about cutting -- getting rid of tax loopholes that allow the largest corporations in the world to pay less taxes than secretaries. i talked about getting --
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supporting -- i could support tax loopholes that would make sure that warren buffett pays a higher tax rate than nurses at sacred heart hospital, i could make that argument to my conservative/independent/ populist base. could republicans make the argument to tea party members in western iowa? >> i agree 100%. let's take the deductions maybe you and i use interest and taxes and charitable, get rid of all of them and take the rates down. that's reagan omices, get rid of those exemptions and all of that stuff and take the rates down for corporate america. let me say this. the bottom line, mika is that the republicans have not signed on to any -- if you will, revenue increases, taxes of $500 billion in net. if they do that, it is total,
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utter ka pilation, it would be what joe says and boehner and mcconnell would be out of a job. >> then we look elsewhere at what's happening in other countries and hoping this doesn't happen to us. concerns over europe's debt crisis is spreading as they take aim at the second country in a week citing growing risk to the nation's finances and slashed ireland's rating to junk yesterday. >> what? >> do you believe this? >> junk bonds. >> it follows a similar move for portugal, one week ago it comes as moody's warns of the need for a second bailout for both countries. in a statement about the move, the irish government says it is completely at odds with the recent views of other rating agencies, we are doing all we can to put our house in order and the progress that we are making is there for all to see. the eu and imf issued bailouts
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for both portugal and ireland in the last eight months. >> willie, this is so dangerous, and washington -- forget greece, washington has ignored greece. it's ignored portugal. it's ignoring ireland the second time. you can go down the list. spain, italy now on the brink. this is happening. it is spreading, it is coming our way, the atlantic ocean cannot protect us from what is happening to europe, yet washington fiddles. >> it's hard to keep up. you wake up every day and there's a new country on the list. yesterday it was italy, italy is in trouble today. ireland again getting another bailout. >> after the first bailout. >> that's why the process in washington has been so depressing. unfortunately in a lot of ways boehner and mcconnell have ka
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pit lated here. >> what happens if germany says no, we're tired of bailing the rest of europe out? >> pat buchanan? >> this is -- look, this is in the back of mitch mcconnell's mind, look, this house is on fire in europe, it's gone from one room to another and if that house goes down, we want to be outside the door with no responsibility, no accountability and it is barack obama's problem to deal with. we don't want him to be able to turn around and say there's right wing republicans did it. they are watching europe just as closely, maybe more so i think than we are. >> pat, why don't they take the $2 trillion deal? >> because they cannot raise taxes and go home again, joe? >> is it better? >> get taxes through the house. >> that's the $4 trillion deal. they have 1.7 trillion in cuts through joe biden, that's why the team is so cynical. >> if they go with flat cuts,
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this is what i've never been able to understand, why boehner didn't go with cuts, balanced budget amendment, send it over there and make barack obama veto it and be responsible if they are going to shut the government down rather than the house. >> exactly. >> >> i think they've gone about this debt reduction in the wrong way. i don't think you can do serious debt reduction on an economy as large as the united states over a course of just a few weeks or approaching a -- >> we agree. >> deadline or something like that. what the parties need to do is get together and come up with a serious plan, a long-range plan that includes what is going to happen to the american people who have been left out of this argument. >> that would have been nice, bob. >> i was down in ohio and going door to door with working america, which is the community affiliate of the aflcio. no one spontaneously raised the debt limit argument or anything else. they were talking about jobs.
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>> republican john kasich will speak about his budget package with spending cuts and why he isn't bothered by his political unpopularity. rupert murdoch called to testify before the british parliament as the phone hacking scandal involving his newspaper deepens. but first, let's go to bill karins with a check on the forecast. >> good morning, yesterday easily the hottest day of the summer across the country. it was 123 heat index in kentucky yesterday. today you get a little bit of a break. the heat has been pushed to the south. it's still warm out there in kentucky, the ohio valley and new england but not humid like it was yesterday. that really oppressive heat has pushed to the south. we'll call it 94 in d.c., it won't be as humid, a slight chance of a storm up through boston and northern new england. good chance of thunderstorms late this afternoon in the southeast. that will cool you off for a hot day in atlanta, tallahassee and looking out west, wonder where
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all the cool weather is this summer? look at san francisco, 66. seattle 68 with showers. the west coast would love a taste of the heat. they haven't hardly had any this summer at all. you're watching "morning joe." we're brewed by starbucks.
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i would advocate that we pass legislation giving the president the authority, the authority to request of us an
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increase in the debt ceiling that would take us past the end of his term. that is what he has said. he said he will not sign a debt ceiling that does not take us past the end of his term. >> i'm deeply opposed to senator mcconnell's plan. first of all, it transfers enormous power to the president. second, in the real world, it will be easy for the president to get 34 democratic senators to sustain his veto, there will be no real cuts. the way it's written is basically a surrender by the republicans. >> an agreement a budget agreement cannot be considered bold or comprehensive unless it asks millionaires and billionaires and wealthy corporations to contribute to deficit reduction. they don't have to do the whole thing but they've got to do their share. >> 20 past the hour. joining us now the republican governor of ohio john kasich back on the show.
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good to see you. >> good to be here. >> how are things going there? >> we just passed a budget. we were $8 billion in the hole. we've reformed medicaid and actually have the aarp support our program. we did sentencing reform where we're not going to lock people up in the state prison who are -- 12,000 of them go to prison for less than a year and stick them next to a murderer and rapist and release them and think we've done a great job. we've changed all that. privatized our development department and improved the cost savings for higher education. we have great choice in education. we killed the death tax -- >> how's your approval rating? >> come on. >> he was giving me a good list. >> this is part of the problem i see in washington, okay? look, approval ratings depends on who takes the poll and what the poll is. bottom line is my state was dying. my state was dying and it was my
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job to get us out of this. we jumped according to cnbc, 11 places since i've been governor as business friendly in america. we lost 600,000 jobs. we lost more jobs than every state except for michigan and california. it's my job to dig us out of this thing and we are open for business and we are winning. we are stabilizing and we're gaining. >> yeah. come on. she's so negative. >> here's the point. >> i set him off. >> here's the question, this is what politicians have been doing. how does it feel? a leader does, i heard you talking about i could go down to my district and sell things. it's important to bring the folks along. you can't get too far out there. on the other hand it's not your job to do a poll to figure out what you do. use your judgment. that's what's happening in d.c. which has become totally dysfunctional. >> can you believe -- we'll get to d.c. in a second.
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what surprises me, i'm hearing about republican governors that went too far that failed and then read the "new york times," pretty glowing, said you did it without a lot of drama. >> there was no drama. >> you get a lot of stuff done, which is -- >> the negatives that i have -- the glowing editorial in the the wall street journal and glowing piece in the "new york times," we're trying to reign in, patrick has done in some ways more radical things than i proposed in ohio. it's just protesters and noiz, when it comes to the budget, no protests, no noise and we got it through and got through virtually all of what we really wanted. >> i'm going to tell you something, the governor and i were talking before this segment began and we were talking about what's going on in washington with the raise the debt ceiling
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and the tax reform and everything like that, and he was talking about he's in favor of closing some loopholes. if you guys were back in the house -- >> oh, good lord. >> joe, i don't want to toot this out than to say i was one of chief architects of the last time we balanced the budget and we balanced the budget in the state of ohio without a tax increase, with tax cuts to make us more competitive and i've been in both places. what i have to say is not theory. what i think is happening -- remember back in when we were running the place down there, we actually went through a government shutdown. you know why? the clinton administration wanted to cook the books and said we would grow our way out of it. i said no way. they ended up coming back to the table and we made -- we got the first balanced budget since man walked on the moon. we had surpluses. >> balance the budget four years in a row for first time since 1920, that would have never happened. this is my point earlier about
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what's happening in washington right now. if we had not starred down the president, president clinton and not been called murderers and rapists and all of the horrible nazis and things the newspapers wrote about us, if we not staired into the abyss. >> said that about welfare reform. >> we heard for a year we're going to throw little children in the street, we were racist and bigots and horrible human beings. unlike what's going on in washington now, we starred down our opponents -- >> here's what i think can happen. first of all you have to have the cuts or the reforms that save the money. i'm not a big guy for cutting, i'm a big guy for reforming. we're saving money in medicaid by letting mom and dad stay in their own home without going into a nursing home. we save a ton of money. there are ways in which you can save money by reforming, we did a lot of that when we were in. what happened when we were there is both the clinton
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administration and the republicans said we need to do this. we don't have this right now. this trillions of national debt -- first of all you can't default. electricals of dollars in national debt, it will sink our children's future. what i think needs to happen, you make the cuts and close the loopholes on these hedge funds getting treated with capital gains, ridiculous -- but don't raise rates. >> that's a good compromise. this is a great compromise. why can't we get that compromise? >> you know, honestly, i know there's republicans that would vote against that, but right now the administration wants rate increases. the problem with rate increases is it kills your economy. >> pat buchanan, we could get a deal in washington, d.c., maybe a 2 trillion, $3 trillion deal, if you close a lot of these tax
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loopholes. should the republicans come to the table and say, listen, you take care of medicare and medicaid and social security reform and we'll come and close some of these loopholes, that john kasich's base would support, my base back when i ran would support and your base would even support, pat. >> my base would support it if rates come down. we would agree to that. let me ask congressman -- excuse me governor kasich. do you agree with the stand eric cantor is taking right now. >> i don't know what his stand is. i don't follow his theater. what is the stand? >> basically your stand, that he's not going to go -- they'll close loopholes but only for reduced rates and no increase in revenue? >> you cannot raise -- look, what we have to achieve am america, i saw a headline, china's economy will grow faster than america's in 2016. everything we need to do in
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america should be designed to improve investment and lead to economic growth. that's how you get yourself out of this stuff. now that means the different than what it used to be, joe, you've got to cut spending and you reduce taxes or you close these loopholes and bring marginal rates down or lower the corporate tax rate and make us more competitive in the world. i think the administration is hung up on higher rates and higher rates, mike, it's not going to work. >> closing loopholes, do you think that would provide you with enough revenue, widen the revenue stream that you wouldn't have to go to tax increases? >> i think there's enough in that code -- >> if you really go at it. >> if you really do it. here's the thing, when you do that, that ought to come later, i'll tell you what congress will do. republicans blew the big sur plus, joe. >> oh, my god. >> after 2000, we couldn't believe it. >> by the way, we've got to get savings up front, mike, they'll
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spend the money. you'll give them more revenue, they'll spend the money. i'm telling you this business about caps and gimmicks, all that, do your job -- you know, joe, you said it again here, i want to correct you on one thing if i could. >> this is going to be good. >> go out and sell your base. part of it is be a leader. >> right. >> i don't know how long you're going to be in. make choices. there's nothing wrong with -- churchill said you can die a thousand times in politics, only once in war. have courage, think about your children and the country, that's what we did when we went through the shutdown and got the balanced budget done. >> john -- >> that's what i'm doing in ohio. >> my point was, if i can get a $4 trillion deal, by closing loopholes and i'll have people in washington on right say joe supports tax increases, i will go down to my district and i would gladly die a thousand
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political deaths if i can get $4 trillion instead of no deal at all, if i can close the tax loophole. >> there's one good example. there's republicans on the right that won't close -- >> of course not. >> democrats on left that won't touch medicare when we know -- >> get it in the middle. if you want to put your head in the sand and get yourself in a position of where you let america default, you've got to be kidding me. america is not going to pay its bills, not on our watch, joe scarborough, not on our watch. >> there you go. willie geist? >> no question you're doing big things in the budget a lot in your state questioning how you're doing it. the city of cleveland had 42 police officers graduate from the academy and immediately laid off. 321 public employees in cleveland laid off. a lot of them feel like you're balancing the budget or attempting to on their backs, being laid off, restricting
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collective bargaining those type of things. >> first of all, i was in the city of green yesterday. do you know they got the schools and city in the same building. they buy together. they -- the schools didn't have to go out and spend $600,000 on a piece of land because they are now in the same building. they are saving millions of dollars. the superintendent of the school cut $4 million, running it like a business. in the city -- senate bill 5 gives cities the ability to control their costs. let me tell you this, do you know your average city worker pays 6% of their health care worker and average private sector pays 23%. if you're in the private sector you pay fon your own health care and somebody else's, that's not right. we want to give the mayor the tools to control his costs. it's entirely reasonable and the fact is we've also allowed them to do shared services which many don't want to do. do you know why? ego, ego, they don't want to work together with the schools
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and other communities that share services. ohio has got to learn to do that. if local governments do not act more business like, it will start a competition between our local entities. the city of brooklyn lost american greetings, moved to west lake in ohio. you know why? better business environment, wake up mayors and create a positive environment. >> you don't think, governor that teachers and firefighters and cops are bearing an undue burden in this whole process? >> if you're paying 6% of your health care cost and barnicle is paying 25% and i'm asking him to pay 15, is that an unreasonable burden? >> actually barnicle doesn't pay for anything -- >> he doesn't have to. >> doesn't apply. >> letting the mayors and the local communities have the flexibility to make the changes that need to be made. >> buchanan likes ohio. >> you've got to get it together. >> pat buchanan let's talk like
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john kasich is not here. don't you miss have john kasich like republicans? >> i miss him on cross fire. did a peophenomenal job -- >> look at his approval rating, look what happens. >> lebron james. >> i named every fan of the dallas mavericks and every member of the team honorary ohio ans when that happened. that was sweet, i've got to tell you. >> he's great, isn't he? >> that was fun to watch. thank you very much. >> getting it done. >> get it done. >> when he was head of the budget committee, first time in a generation to balance the budget, balance it four years in a row.
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worked with leon panetta. i remember you coming down several times saying leon looked in my eyes i don't think he told me the truth but you always kept going back and you said, we've got to get this deal in. you and leon panetta and bill clinton and the congress got it done. >> we used to play basketball 4:00 to 5:00, get to know one another. you had the rock band down there. they don't speak to one another. they treat each other as political enemies not as human beings. >> you and leon -- chief of staff, it was a horrible jump shot. >> biden should not wear shorts where he plays basketball. >> i agree with you. >> we aren't letting anybody say anything bad about joe biden. >> i want you to look like a golfer. obama and me -- look at biden with those shorts. >> there's nothing wrong with shorts, he looks okay? >> who does? >> boehner. >> you've known him for a while.
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son of a bar owner, he's a real go guy and good guy and he's trying. i think they could sit down with something. >> i think they would too. >> if john boehner and barack obama had more time together, we could get it done. >> thank you for coming in. >> rupert murdoch under fire under the hacking scandal. business before the business. we will be right back. ♪ birds flying high
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welcome back. british barack obama david cameron vowing to investigate whether 9/11 victims were targeted in the hacking scandal against rupert murdoch's "news of the world." they are urging him to drop the bid to stay over british sky broadcasting. murdoch and his son and the ceo of news international are also being asked to testify before u.k. lawmakers. stephanie gosk is in london with the latest details. >> reporter: with daily accusations piling up, growing longer and longer, the british
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parliament has decided it wants to hear directly from those in charge. rupp ert murdoch, his son james and chief executive of news international and executive rebecca brooks have been asked to testify next week in front of parliament. >> what's really interesting, nlg now rupert murdoch has been confident that politicians of all parties were going to support him. now they are all turning against him and that changes a lot. >> reporter: murdoch shot down "the news of the word" because it was described as a toxic culture but the company has started fighting back against allegations involving two of the other papers, the sun and sunday times. gordon brown questioned the tactics on how to get information on a 2006 article suggesting their methods may have been illegal. a new statement from news international denies wrong doing and says the story the sun ran about their son originated from
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a member of public whose family has also experienced cystic fibrosis. some say it is about time, including actor hugh grant in recent months led his on campaign against the tabloids. even recording this conversation with a deputy editor of "news of the world." he acknowledged that hacking was widespread. >> but celebrities themselves you justify because they are rich? >> yeah, i mean if you like don't like it you've got to get off the stage. >> reporter: not so says grant who claims to be a victim himself. >> the only other day that happened to me, my medical details were published in the sun. we're talking about pretty nasty people. >> reporter: so far eight people have been arrested but it may not end there. scotland yard believes the investigation will continue to grow and along with it the pressure on rupert murdoch's
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media empire. >> that was stephanie gosk. >> the real story there and willie touched on it, hugh grant has looked the same for 20 years. before knotting hill -- >> doesn't get work done. >> there was -- he did "about a boy", i like that one but he got old there then he got young again. i don't know how that happens. he's looking good. isn't that the story, the best analysis you've heard this morning. >> i would like to follow up with simon. >> you know who else hasn't aged? >> who? >> i remember watching him and it was in '63, the beatles still a year away but simon hobbs known as the ed sullivan of great britain, he hasn't aged a year. >> it's extraordinary, it's in
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the british genes. good morning. you know the germans have a word, it's called -- >> what are you upset about today? >> the germans have a word it's taking place here at other people's misfortune. in business terms, you know, you cut through really what the british politicians are expressing here and what the other media groups would like hype up. you should look at stock, which dropped $8 billion in value and ask yourself, in reality is it likely that murdoch's fcc license is here for it would have been affected? is it likely the board he stacked with its mates will do anything? probably no. is news corps a buy at the moment? citigroup thinks so. because the stock has been so depressed you should know buy -- >> oh, my goodness. >> and you will make a return of 36% over the next year. just bear that in mind, they will be buying against the news
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flow which you so aptly describe coming from the uk. the merger will have no legal standing but look at the spending on the presidential election that will have this year here in the united states, look at the spending that we'll have as the economy recovers on ads, smart money says yes. >> my goodness, smart money newscorp, smart money also turning -- >> conviction buy list, it's now in their conviction buy. >> conviction buy. >> actually news corp, thumbs up on wall street. ireland, big thumb's down. >> we had a downgrade but we're over that now. it's 10:00 ben bernanke is talking, he could effectively ensure the stock market by talking about qe 3. i'm out of time.
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welcome back. the body much former first lady betty ford will be flown to michigan for the second of two funerals. here's lee cowan on yesterday's memorial service. >> reporter: as the desert sun rows off the church worshipped in for more than 40 years, the body of betty ford lay in repose. tuesday night they filed past her casket with many simply expressing a need to get close. >> i've had breast cancer four times and the first time i was going through it, i would keep the "people" magazine with betty on the cover for inspiration.
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>> reporter: they drove all the way from salt lake city. the former tribute was a private affair. the last time there were this many first ladies together was when betty laid her husband to rest in 2006. but it was rose lynn carter who summed up the first lady who was different from somebody. >> someone willing to do things a bit differently than they were done before. someone who had the courage and grace to fight fear and signature stigma and prejudice wherever she encountered. >> reporter: she was instructed by betty ford to you'll guys not only her life but politics as it used to be. >> mrs. ford knew who she was. she said, i'll move to the white house, do the best i can and if they don't like it, they can kick me out but they can't make
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me be somebody i'm not. >> reporter: who she was was someone who publicly battled cancer and addiction and honest disclosure ended in her greatest legacy, the betty ford center which helped untolled numbers. >> what a gift to us to several generations of those like us who need help and who just need to learn how to generate a little pride and self-respect. what a gift. >> reporter: a gift that inspired millions that she leave behind. >> thank you, lee. these kids are too young to remember, the 1974, august 1974 ugly times, gerald ford, betty ford stepped forward and were part of the healing of a fractured nation. >> and a generation where in terms we're talking about polarization in politics today, the second night of gerald ford's presidency, president
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welcome to "morning joe." it's time to talk about what we learned today. i learned from a press person of john boehner's office that they do not endorse mitch mcconnell's plan they were being polite last night on fox. and he just said the
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spokesperson said that they are not womeniilling to cave yet. >> not there yet. i learned it's probably -- you don't need to ask governor kasich about his approval ratings. >> he's got a lot done. >> he will tell you that. >> he did. he will tell you that. >> pat buchanan? >> this murdoch crisis will leap the atlantic like it was golden pond, joe. >> my goodness. >> i learned that while everyone has disagreements in politics, that's natural if guys more guys like john kasich were back in the republican side of the aisle of the house, this would get done today. >> it got done in the 90s because kasich and panetta and clinton talked. >> i learned there's a huge sporti event, women's world cup, united states against france in the semifinal coming off the incredible win against brazil. >> magic, if it's way